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Which most likely means that it's either something you did, or something you didn't do. Potentially both at different points. But that still covers a lot of territory.
[pause]
I understand that this is difficult for you too, and you don't need to tell me the whole story. But I do need at least a general idea of what happened if I'm going to avoid causing you and your other selves problems in the future.
[She kind of is, though she opts to drop it for now and try a different approach.]
Alright then, lets try this; would you be willing to tell me why you're convinced that your past selves are justified in being disappointed in you? Because honestly, I'm not seeing much cause for it. Aside from the fact that you're as stubborn as a herd of nerfs, of course, but that seems to be something all of you shares to varying degrees.
That's a more common situation than you'd think. Especially back during the Galactic Civil War; a lot of people who ended up joining the Rebellion had spent their time running from what was happening to the galaxy- figuratively or literally- until something happened that forced them to stop. To take a good look around at where the galaxy was going and decide they had to take action.
I crashed. Thought I was dead. Expect I woke up and when I woke up I knew where I was. A place I had been before very long ago. They are very powerful psychics. Probably in my entire universe. I helped them back many lives ago; and for that they brought me back to life and the choice to choose how my next life would be - if I helped with the war I was running from. Otherwise, they were going to let me die and where I was it wasn't possible to regenerate. And - if I didn't help they were saying that universe was going to end.
I didn't know at the time but what - Rassilon [The rage!] had planned the universe was going to end one way or another.
Alright, I admit, that's a new one, if only due to regeneration being an ability that's unique to your species as far as I know.
[You sound like you feel about Rassilon about the same way she feels about Palpitine.]
I'm assuming Rassilon didn't succeed in his plan; if he did, I doubt we'd be here talking about it like this. But was your intervention as pivotal in preventing it as these psychics thought it would be?
[There's a lot in that nod and Leia is quiet for a long moment, extrapolating and correlating what she knows, and what she's been able to deduce from what has and hasn't been said.]
So you prevented Rassilon's plan from coming to fruition... but doing so cost more than you can reconcile.
[If there was one thing Leia understood it was loss. And whatever stopping Rassilon's insane plan had cost the Doctor, it was obviously enough to make it seem like a pyrrhic victory to him.]
Believe it or not, I understand. I've had to make those kinds of choices myself. Not for the fate of the universe, but certainly for the fate of the galaxy. Choices that in the end boil down to a debate between 'could I live with myself if I do this?' and 'could I live with myself if I don't?'
[She sighs, opening her eyes.]
Sometimes there really is no good choice. Just a bad one and a worse one. Entities like the Empire and the First Order are good at creating those situations. And it sounds like Rassilon was too.
No it doesn't. There's never an excuse for that kind of death and destruction. An explanation, maybe. A logical reason, maybe. But no excuse.
It's worse, though, when people don't think they need an excuse. People like Tarkin, Palpitine, Snoke, and Rassilon; people for whom power and control are an end in themselves. The kind of people who would build something called the 'Death Star' in the first place.
[Pause.]
And you don't need to apologize; none of what happened to me and to my galaxy is your doing. And I know the things more personal to me likely can't be fixed, even if you could get to my galaxy with the ability to do so; too many other events that depend on them.
[Small, grim smirk.]
Seems to be the case more often than not for my family. Our connection to the Force is very strong... but that also means that our fates are intertwined with it, for good or ill.
I'd be curious to know how you can tell which is which. Is it just something instinctual to Time Lords, or is distinguishing such events a skill you have to learn?
[Leia nods. And hiding it or not, she can still guess.]
It must be difficult to be without that here, since time works so... oddly in Nautilus. I know that as much as I sometimes have a love/hate relationship with my connection to the Force, being without it entirely when I first arrived felt almost like I was missing a limb.
I've spent much of my life holding on to 'something', so I know how inadequate it can feel sometimes. But I've always been grateful to those who helped me find it.
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Date: 2017-06-27 02:56 am (UTC)Which most likely means that it's either something you did, or something you didn't do. Potentially both at different points. But that still covers a lot of territory.
[pause]
I understand that this is difficult for you too, and you don't need to tell me the whole story. But I do need at least a general idea of what happened if I'm going to avoid causing you and your other selves problems in the future.
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Date: 2017-07-02 09:49 pm (UTC)Just in general.
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Date: 2017-07-04 02:16 am (UTC)Alright then, lets try this; would you be willing to tell me why you're convinced that your past selves are justified in being disappointed in you? Because honestly, I'm not seeing much cause for it. Aside from the fact that you're as stubborn as a herd of nerfs, of course, but that seems to be something all of you shares to varying degrees.
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Date: 2017-07-04 03:17 am (UTC)I ran... I ran for a very long time... But one day - it got so bad thar wasn't anywhere to run anymore.
All of time and space and nowhere to run anymore..
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Date: 2017-07-04 05:00 am (UTC)That's a more common situation than you'd think. Especially back during the Galactic Civil War; a lot of people who ended up joining the Rebellion had spent their time running from what was happening to the galaxy- figuratively or literally- until something happened that forced them to stop. To take a good look around at where the galaxy was going and decide they had to take action.
What was it that finally made you stop?
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Date: 2017-07-04 07:15 pm (UTC)I crashed. Thought I was dead. Expect I woke up and when I woke up I knew where I was. A place I had been before very long ago. They are very powerful psychics. Probably in my entire universe. I helped them back many lives ago; and for that they brought me back to life and the choice to choose how my next life would be - if I helped with the war I was running from. Otherwise, they were going to let me die and where I was it wasn't possible to regenerate. And - if I didn't help they were saying that universe was going to end.
I didn't know at the time but what - Rassilon [The rage!] had planned the universe was going to end one way or another.
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Date: 2017-07-16 01:15 am (UTC)[You sound like you feel about Rassilon about the same way she feels about Palpitine.]
I'm assuming Rassilon didn't succeed in his plan; if he did, I doubt we'd be here talking about it like this. But was your intervention as pivotal in preventing it as these psychics thought it would be?
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Date: 2017-07-17 01:18 am (UTC)No. He wasn't.
[At her last question - she may see all the knots his stomach makes on his face and only replies by nodding his head]
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Date: 2017-07-26 01:49 am (UTC)So you prevented Rassilon's plan from coming to fruition... but doing so cost more than you can reconcile.
[If there was one thing Leia understood it was loss. And whatever stopping Rassilon's insane plan had cost the Doctor, it was obviously enough to make it seem like a pyrrhic victory to him.]
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Date: 2017-07-26 07:02 pm (UTC)Re: 5/25 video [Locked]
Date: 2017-07-27 12:57 am (UTC)Believe it or not, I understand. I've had to make those kinds of choices myself. Not for the fate of the universe, but certainly for the fate of the galaxy. Choices that in the end boil down to a debate between 'could I live with myself if I do this?' and 'could I live with myself if I don't?'
[She sighs, opening her eyes.]
Sometimes there really is no good choice. Just a bad one and a worse one. Entities like the Empire and the First Order are good at creating those situations. And it sounds like Rassilon was too.
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Date: 2017-07-27 01:42 am (UTC)[Then draws back and gives Leia a silent head nod and whispers]
Sorry. So, sorry.
And I'm sorry about what happened.
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Date: 2017-07-27 02:48 am (UTC)No it doesn't. There's never an excuse for that kind of death and destruction. An explanation, maybe. A logical reason, maybe. But no excuse.
It's worse, though, when people don't think they need an excuse. People like Tarkin, Palpitine, Snoke, and Rassilon; people for whom power and control are an end in themselves. The kind of people who would build something called the 'Death Star' in the first place.
[Pause.]
And you don't need to apologize; none of what happened to me and to my galaxy is your doing. And I know the things more personal to me likely can't be fixed, even if you could get to my galaxy with the ability to do so; too many other events that depend on them.
[Small, grim smirk.]
Seems to be the case more often than not for my family. Our connection to the Force is very strong... but that also means that our fates are intertwined with it, for good or ill.
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Date: 2017-07-27 03:37 am (UTC)I know. All of space and time - and thar's still events I have to let happen.
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Date: 2017-08-08 12:06 am (UTC)[He's hiding how much it may hurt to be reminded what he doesn't and hasn't done for quite a long time]
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Date: 2017-08-08 12:58 am (UTC)It must be difficult to be without that here, since time works so... oddly in Nautilus. I know that as much as I sometimes have a love/hate relationship with my connection to the Force, being without it entirely when I first arrived felt almost like I was missing a limb.
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Date: 2017-08-08 01:17 am (UTC)Linear. And not timey wimey wibbly wobbly.
Yes. It feels like I'm blind... [Deep inhale; he's been blind for a very, very long time. The Force helps a little but it's not the same]
Master Kit showed me how to bend the Force so I had some kind of connection but it's not the same. But it's - something.
[He won't say it but he's learned to make due]
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Date: 2017-08-08 03:37 am (UTC)I've spent much of my life holding on to 'something', so I know how inadequate it can feel sometimes. But I've always been grateful to those who helped me find it.